{"id":1373929,"date":"2021-09-21T16:00:00","date_gmt":"2021-09-21T16:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/admin.pokercoaching.com\/?p=1373929"},"modified":"2025-12-29T14:37:24","modified_gmt":"2025-12-29T14:37:24","slug":"when-to-play-multiway-pots","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/pokercoaching.com\/blog\/when-to-play-multiway-pots\/","title":{"rendered":"When To Play Multiway Pots and When NOT?"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p>\u201cMultiway pots are death.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>I have said this phrase no less than 10,000\ntimes to my students.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The reason I say it so often is because, in their low-to-mid stakes games, there are loose openers who are begging to be threebet. They flat large reraises out of <a href=\"http:\/\/pokercoaching.com\/blog\/poker-positions\/\" title=\"Poker Positions \u2013 Know How to Play from Every Seat at the Table\">position<\/a> with weak hands and have no idea what to do postflop.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>If you have a hand you can reasonably\nexpect to be the best hand versus a particular raising player, you should take\nit to war.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Notice how I said, \u201cversus a particular raising player.\u201d Not \u201ca good hand in general.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Sometimes one of my students will see a player open <a href=\"http:\/\/pokercoaching.com\/blog\/poker-terms\/under-the-gun\/\" title=\"Under The Gun Definition \u2013 Learn What Under The Gun Means In Poker\">UTG<\/a>. It will fold around to them on the button with K-Jo. They\u2019ll fold.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\u201cWhat the f*** are you doing?\u201d I\u2019ll yell at them. \u201cWe watched him open J-7s from that spot 20 minutes ago in the hand history. Were you not paying attention this deep in the tournament?\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\u201c<a href=\"http:\/\/pokercoaching.com\/blog\/how-to-multi-table-online-poker\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\" title=\"\">I was multitabling<\/a>.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\u201cSo click on his Raise First In <a href=\"http:\/\/pokercoaching.com\/blog\/poker-stats\/\" title=\"Most Important Poker Stats That Will Make You a Winner\">poker stat<\/a> and let Notecaddy remember for you. Come on! You\u2019re better than that.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Should you three-bet K-Jo versus a UTG open? 95% of the time, the answer is no, but when you have a sitting duck of a player who doesn\u2019t know how to four-bet preflop or check-raise\/donk lead postflop, then you should endeavor to play big pots in position versus them with superior hands. ANY poker player of ANY moderate skill level could win given those parameters.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>That said, we don\u2019t always want to seek out\nheads-up pots. I\u2019ll give you an example.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>I was recently playing WPT Maryland. This was a fun tournament because there were some extremely talented pros sitting right next to psycho gamblers who couldn\u2019t read boards. The action was amazing!<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Some people were complaining about this, but that seems an ungrateful way to look at the situation. <a href=\"http:\/\/pokercoaching.com\/blog\/how-to-play-poker\/texas-holdem-rules\/\" title=\"How To Play Texas Hold\u2019em \u2013 Poker Rules &amp; Basics\">Texas Hold\u2019em<\/a> is fun because it\u2019s so messy. You have to be a little sick to play this game. You have to love the challenges and walking on the edge. Additionally, I guess I\u2019m just at that age now where I want my work to be interesting, and holy hell, was this particular day unique?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>One example of this was when I was sitting\nat my second or third table. Four players to my right was an extremely talented\nWSOP bracelet winner. He opened damn near anything he wanted. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>So, logically, we should be threebetting\nhim right?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Well, no. Remember our requirements for <a href=\"http:\/\/pokercoaching.com\/blog\/3-bet-poker-strategy\/\" title=\"3-Betting in Poker: How to Pick the Right Spot for a 3-Bet\">3-betting<\/a> someone? We wanted a guy who opened too much AND had no skills postflop. That was NOT this guy. He had every tool in the toolbox, and a few I had never seen before. Watching him play was something to behold. I kept transcribing hands on my phone so I could study them later, in the hopes of picking up a play or two.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Two to my left, however, was the complete\nopposite of this player. This guy was a gambler and a half. He wanted to see\nevery flop, and when he got frustrated, he\u2019d put big bets in with nothing! He\nliterally shoved 3X pot once with K-J high! I was loving it! <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>So, given this particular table layout, we\nhave a couple of goals:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ol class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>Neutralize the extremely\ntalented player to our right<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Involve the recreational player\nas much as possible postflop<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n\n\n\n<p>The way we accomplish this is by deliberately NOT three-betting as much as we normally would.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-block-embed-youtube wp-embed-aspect-16-9 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"Use 3-Bets to CRUSH Cash Games!\" width=\"500\" height=\"281\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/RsRL0yJZegw?feature=oembed\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share\" referrerpolicy=\"strict-origin-when-cross-origin\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe>\n<\/div><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>The threebet is an isolation tactic used best versus normal players who open too much. It isolates the initial raiser by creating a betting wall the players behind you must scale. This is the last thing you want to do with a loose, recreational player behind you.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Let\u2019s say the super-talented player opens 35% of his hands (<a href=\"http:\/\/pokercoaching.com\/blog\/vpip-poker-stat\/\" title=\"How to Utilize VPIP Poker Stat to Your Advantage\">VPIP<\/a>). Normally, versus a 35% <a href=\"http:\/\/pokercoaching.com\/blog\/pfr-poker-stat\/\" title=\"Why PFR Poker Stat Can Tell You More Than You Think\">PFR<\/a>, you\u2019d be perfectly well justified in reraising an A-Jo. But versus this particularly astute player, you should flat.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>If you threebet him, you\u2019re simply entering\nhis workshop. This man has worked with every solver to understand the\nintricacies of heads-up pots. Even though he is out of position, he has\ncertainly cooked in some fascinating tricks into his ranges. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>If you repeatedly threebet him now, you will also lose a tool later. Many of these same tournament savants also understand stack dynamics. If you have been flatting him all day and you suddenly three-bet him with 30-40X, he will understand that he doesn\u2019t always have the implied odds to flat you out of position, and he will also understand that a four-bet is costly to his stack. He\u2019s likely to give you that first fold, which is extremely valuable when you get into this stack territory.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>If you flat, however, our recreational player behind us will likely flat as well, since he\u2019s in love with taking flops. Now, we will be in a multiway pot.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Multiway pots protect you when you\u2019re dealing with a player who intimately understands <a href=\"http:\/\/pokercoaching.com\/blog\/what-is-gto-poker\/\" title=\"What Is GTO Poker &amp; Why You Should Learn Game Theory Optimal Play\">GTO poker<\/a> concepts. In multiway pots, GTO solutions do exist, but they\u2019re more fragile. In a multiway pot, you\u2019re not capitalizing on every mistake your opponents make by holding onto your initial balanced <a href=\"http:\/\/pokercoaching.com\/blog\/poker-strategy-tips\/\" title=\"Poker Strategy 101 \u2013 How to Win in Poker More Often\">strategy<\/a>, like what would happen in a heads-up pot. If one opponent\u2019s EV decreases in a multiway pot, that doesn\u2019t necessarily mean your EV increases. Both of your opponents could be playing a style that increases their equity and steals equity from you. One player could be playing poorly, thus dumping equity to another player while leaving you out in the cold.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>For examples of how one player playing poorly could hurt your <a href=\"http:\/\/pokercoaching.com\/blog\/poker-ev\/\" title=\"Poker EV \u2013 Understand Your Expected Value the Right Way\">EV<\/a> multiway, I\u2019d suggest you play with jamming ranges in Cardrunners EV. Put the ranges in that <a href=\"http:\/\/pokercoaching.com\/blog\/poker-icm\/\" title=\"Poker ICM \u2013 Using the Independent Chip Model In Tournaments\">ICM<\/a> tools recommends, and then adjust the ranges of the jammer while you rejam the initially correct ranges still. See what that does to your earnings. Sometimes it helps you. Sometimes it hurts you.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Normally, we don\u2019t want to play multiway pots with unsuited big cards, but that\u2019s because unsuited big cards make pairs, and pairs tend not to be the winning hand when multiway pots become big.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>This does not apply in this particular\nspot. This multiway pot will hopefully take the form of:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Player A plays poorly (recreational player)\nwhich dumps equity to Player B (us, sweet!) and leaves Player C out in the cold\n(superior pro). <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Superior pro has all the calibrated <a href=\"http:\/\/pokercoaching.com\/preflop-charts\" title=\"\">preflop charts<\/a>, rangesfor postflop, multiway, or heads-up, but none of that is going to matter if the recreational player looks at a flop with a garbage pair (or king high) and decides to shove 3X pot again. This neutralizes the superior pro, and he will have to gamble or fold. We will be protected from playing complex turns and rivers with the superior pro, and our good pairs will generally beat the weak player behind us.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>This is a specific example, but it does\nillustrate what we\u2019re looking for when we decide to play a multiway pot as\nopposed to threebetting:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ol class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>A fantastic postflop player to\nour right who we would like to neutralize<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>A weak player to our left who\nwe would like to involve<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n\n\n\n<p>I hope these tips have been beneficial to you and your game. Good luck to all of you. <\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>\u201cMultiway pots are death.\u201d I have said this phrase no less than 10,000 times to my students. 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